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December 01, 2009 08:11:08pm |
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Re: Pedophilia is not gay rights... it's a hate crime |
There is nothing in the book about pedophilia per se.
Thorstad was one of the earliest gay liberation activists and founded NAMBLA in 1980, about seven years after he co-wrote this book.
He claimed that pederasty (homosexual pedophilia) was ALWAYS part of the gay liberation program and should be embraced by the gay community. "Mainstream" GLBT activist shunned him, but some earlier ones like Harry Hay and Allan Ginsburg came to NAMBLAs defense, saying pederasty was always part of gay culture and the people who were trying to "mainstreamize" the gay movement were sell outs.
I take no position on any of this. I didn't see any mention of pederasty in the book, or visual representations.
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December 01, 2009 08:20:22pm |
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I knew I disliked ginsberg for a reason...
I never attacked the book in question, I only questioned the gross reality of the group itself. It's an abomination and that's coming from an atheist.
I knew mainstream gay people make a point to distance themselves from child predators from reading the discussions on some of the films on the prelinger archives about the subject.
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Time Traveller |
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December 02, 2009 12:09:16am |
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Dudeman
I only did a quick scan of that book, looking for dates, I noted somewhere words to the affect of
Man and Boy. In a relationship sense.
But then, that was part of the mistaken beliefs about homosexuals 50 years ago that 100% of homosexuals are paedophiles by nature.
Which is the reason its a good book for historians in the future, as that belief delayed gay rights.
It maybe true sometimes, but nothing near 100%
I believe the same percentage of homosexuals are also paedophiles as the percentage of heterosexuals are paedophiles.
What is worrying, it seems the more the secret comes out, the higher the percentage goes.
As for homosexual rights, okay, they got them, I suppose they have rights but DON'T come near me with any disgusting ideas or we will be a war.
How come I only know lesbians and not gay men? If you know a lesbian, ask them what they think about gay men.
They are not even at peace amongst themselves yet.
But, on the IA, I much rather relax, than discuss such things.
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dudeman5685 |
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December 02, 2009 08:47:19am |
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This is the infamous film, Boys beware
http://www.archive.org/details/boys_bewareIt was produced for teens in the US in the early 1960s and presents the classical "homosexuals are all pederasts" argument.
The irony is that Thorstad and Hays believed the exact same thing, except for them it was a good thing.
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December 02, 2009 09:28:15pm |
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thanks
I think I came across that video once. One problem I have, is I got to read all local NZ abuse news reports, plus other news, which I can link together in my head, I am looking for small items, which might lead me towards reports about abuses in the psyche hospital systems, where the hospital, or provider is not identified. But, its about staff and management, I am concerned with. heaps of bad apples there. One patient was just discovered to have been in seclusion for SIX years (solitary confinement)the ombudsmen had him moved to a different facility and he is okay. The hospitals have to report every year, last report said one hospital had a person in seclusion for 365 days, nobody including me thought about that, but the hospital only had to report for the year, and not total accumulated time in seclusion. There are several back ups, to prevent it, they all failed. The facility in question, has not been named.
Anyway, did you know that counsellors, psycholigests treating abused kids (even as grown up adults) themselves MUST have counselling in order not to go insane with what they hear? Its a condition of being allowed to practice.
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